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Good article. The civility issues in many cities go well beyond mugging-type crimes and into general disorder, of course. A friend from a notoriously high-crime big city visited recently; we took him and his kids to a playground at a nearby school, and he commented that it would be fenced off and inaccessible back in his town, to protect it from being trashed. Similarly, I have relatives who live adjacent to a nice park in a big city, but they never use it because it is a gathering point for homeless and other generally idle people, many of whom are harmless but some of whom are intimidating and predatory. Being able to walk to a bodega in the middle of a city is great, but being able to take your kids a few blocks away to a safe playground on a Saturday is also a walkability issue, and that kind of thing may be MORE available in the suburbs in many cases. "This-is-why-we-can't-have-nice-things" issues--pointless vandalism and hooliganism--can of course happen outside of big cities too, but those issues are quite simply fewer and farther between in suburbs due to the reduced density of people in general and disturbed or disadvantaged people in particular.

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It's remarkable how determined progressive urbanists are to repress and ignore anything that doesn't fit their narrative. As an example, the lauded study of Detroit by the lauded urban historian Thomas Sugrue doesn't address crime - at all! Imagine writing a history of Detroit that doesn't address the question of crime.

In the pre-Floyd era, occasionally something would get published, including books such as Harold Saltzman, *Race war in high school: The ten-year destruction of Franklin K. Lane High School in Brooklyn* ; Scott Cummings, *Left Behind in Rosedale: Race Relations and the Collapse of Community Institutions,* or the collected works of the highly accomplished and recently cancelled historian Raymond Wolters.

One 2018 article examining the case of the Bronx has already been de-published (due to wrongthink?) but is still on archive.org for now: “The Push and Pull Dynamics of White Flight: A Study of The Bronx Between 1950 and 1980,” By Megan Roby.

https://web.archive.org/web/20190918180612/http://bronxhistoricalsociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/M.Roby_.pdf

Another dissident, Devin Helton, collected many of these sources here: "What caused the dramatic rise of crime and blight in American cities from 1950 to 2000?"

https://devinhelton.com/why-urban-decay

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