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Tom Chacko's avatar

I know it's awkward to digress into theology, but I find this very interesting in terms of how we think about the first relationships between humans and God as talked about in Genesis.

One way of looking at those stories is that our ancestors at some point achieved a deeper relationship with each other through language in a way that made it possible for them (us) to have a deeper (and articulable) relationship with the divine. (Of course there are lots of totally different ways people reconcile Genesis with evolution, or don't, or say it's a waste of time, but I'm quite interested in that way.)

It is sort of startling then if the key to developing language is organised violence - which I had seen suggested, in terms of "well chimpanzees fight wars, our ancestors found they fought better wars if they communicated better".

What this account suggests is sort of the opposite: language arises in the vulnerable animals that know they are vulnerable and know they need others. That is an idea peculiarly resonant with Christian claims about what humans are - that the invitation to relationship with God is not because we are the most skilled of all the animals but that we are the animal that knows how weak it is.

As a side issue: there's a very interesting discussion in Charles Foster's Being a Beast about how carnivores seem to mourn their dead more than herbivores do.

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Alex Jackson's avatar

Your last paragraphs about herds and goats got me thinking that we’re in an era where the outsiders are truly the exceptional winners.

Archetypal autistic Elon Musk types are able to solve incredible engineering problems, Gordon Gecko type psychopaths are able to CEO themselves to the top.

The herdiest types are derided when they obsess about masking and cause petrol shortages based on hearsay

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