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Ivan, a Patron of Letters's avatar

Last paragraph is the best. I've had a lot of fun on Twitter informing "woke" British people of the American origins of pretty much everything they say. What's really hilarious is that these people, being Americanized, have adopted the chic Anti-Americanism of elite Americans, which itself is a deeply American thing, so when you tell these America-bashing Americanized uncompensated functionaries of the American Empire just how Americanized they are, including by detailing the American origins of all their little Americanisms, they tend to get pretty angry. I imagine the newly "cosmopolitan" Irish are much the same.

They all seem to think that Americanism amounts to something like "supporting the Republican Party."

From my position here in the imperial metropole, all these would-be cosmopolitans in provincial capitals like Dublin and London look like hilariously aspirational-yet-clueless rubes whenever they parrot prestige American ruling class gunk like "systemic racism" or "white fragility". A bunch of hicks, really.

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Fantastic piece, truly. The stuff on how Ireland appeared to you as a kid looking on was particularly striking. Really interesting.

A couple petty points:

“While at school the Tiger Economy was already emerging, a product of a highly educated workforce, a natural flair for the sort of schmoozing that is so important to business in the 21st century, an absence of post-industrial problems, and the English language (‘now wouldn’t we be nicely fucked if they had succeeded’, the Dublin novelist Roddy Doyle is supposed to have once said when discussion of the Gaelic revival movement came up).”

Hate to be a jerk, but you forgot “Shamelessly lowering corporate tax rates, making the island a notorious international tax haven, beloved by behemoth US tech companies and others.”

This was key. You can’t neglect it and just go full Tourist Board on how attracted Google, Facebook, Apple, etc. were to Ireland because of its vibrant, young, educated workforce. It’s like saying male tourists from around the world flock to Thailand for its food. Sure the food’s good, but still.

“There is also an argument that Irishness is attractive to some Americans because it has that rare sense of white victimhood.”

Alas, it’s a very bad argument. Irishness is attractive to many Americans because we find the accent really cool. Pathetic but true. After that, it‘s pretty much all kitsch. We like the kitsch

Most people in the US think Africa is entirely black and would be surprised to learn it contains Arab counties. We’re not that strong as a people on world history, geography, etc. With the exception of some aging citizens of Irish descent (Biden, etc.) few, if any, Yanks imagine Ireland could even enter a victimhood contest, much less get past the first round.

Educated Americans (a minority) likely view Ireland less as a tale of centuries of oppression and more by the late 20th C history in the north: the epitome of a senseless, unnecessary violent conflict that made the natives’ lives shit. A conflict that was romanticized by remarkably foolish Americans in Boston who wanted in on the cool of violence and political indignation.

In any case, it’s 2023 and in America (and I would bet the vast majority of the world) the lingering effects of 1800s British policy on what is now an affluent, white European Island with a smaller overall population than NYC just doesn’t resonate. There’s just been too much subsequent history and suffering around the world for Ireland to be reflexively viewed by other nations the way it still often is by itself, the UK and a tiny subset of aging Irish-Americas. V.S. Naipaul was particularly scathing on this point. Might be worth googling his brutal take.

“Yet the problem for Ireland’s cultural establishment is that their modern vision of Ireland seems pretty similar to the ‘modern’ vision of Britain dreamed up in the Blair years — which is essentially an ideal imagined by America’s coastal elites.”

Oh, man. I’m ambivalent about commenting on this. I think it’s both a fine rhetorical strategy and a good morale-boosting way to look at things. I very much want you to be strong and confident when you fight the invasion of the woke, but I also think it’s short sighted and risky.

The current pernicious language, beliefs, attitudes & assumptions of American coastal elites are not innate to them. They arose when women, two very large succeeding generations of young people, academics, diversity hires, lawyers and Human Resource people gained control of major institutions in America.

Alas, many of these groups and forces exist abroad. Wokekess may just spawn naturally from them in the 21st century. Beware!

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