"Did political correctness enable the biggest sexual abuse scandal in British history?"
I'm American, so mebbe shouldn't comment. To me, The Woke Religion has brought civilization to a gory end across the pond. No doubt, we're next. That's just me. TY again, Sir.
Mebbe. But the Roman Catholics are just one institution. The Woke Religion, at least in America, owns pretty much all-a them. So the question becomes, "You see anything in the future that's gonna reverse this slide?"
That's where I agree with You. This "stuff" is endemic to society.
I gotta admit, things look better over in the UK than they do here. No Cass Report in view anywhere in the US, for some time to come. But is something like that enough to reverse the trend? Dunno, but I'm doubtful after reading this article. May think/feel different tomorrow.
I won't disagree much. But the Woke acolytes are a small minority, not the majority.
And the Woke Religion, IMV, is as bad as pedophile priests ever were. At least the Catholic priests didn't try to turn everybody else into pedophiles, too, like the Woke priests do.
AFAICS Ed doesn't claim clannishness (on its own) necessarily leads to this behaviour
His claim is that the *combination* of their clannishness and them settling 'into a post-industrial society with very weak familial ties , permissive sexual attitudes and large numbers of broken homes, was always going to prove explosive.'
I agree with most-a what You wrote. I don't agree that the story SOUNDS like a fake made up racist libel, because I've heard this same story before.
But it was Wokism that kept the story quiet. Something that came off-a comments about that other link I posted. https://noelle-neumann.de/scientific-work/spiral-of-silence/ Not many, besides M. West, are gonna stand up and talk about this stuff.
In Belgium in the 90s, a serial killer by the name of Marc Dutroux was allowed to get away with heinous crimes against young girls by a series of failures of the criminal justice system, police incompetence, and a lack of care. The details of those failures are chilling.
The result of this becoming public was that upwards of 300,000 Belgians marched in protest at the horror of it, and the entire law enforcement system was dismantled and replaced.
By all rights the entire creaking edifice of what we claim are justice, care, and law enforcement systems should have collapsed. That this has not happened is an indictment of both our national character and the stupendous scale of state failure in general that otherwise occupies our minds and attention.
I honestly cannot figure how the British state manages to exist at all at this point.
Of course, the state can never be a real parent. Bureaucrats will never have the deterring effect on a girl's would-be molesters that a group of protective male relatives would have. Europeans' best defence against this sort of thing is to (re-)discover some clannishness of our own.
Nonetheless, the State can be quite assertive when it really wants to be. As Ed has pointed out in the past, if it was gangs of white men raping Asian girls, the authorities would find their inner big strong older brother pretty quickly. (And the media would find their inner "I'm TELLING!" sibling too.)
When the Rotherham story broke, I remember David Aaronovitch saying it happened because a "backwards culture met a deficient one." Which I thought was pretty correct.
Racism is I think now seen as the ultimate evil; it is the primary sin of the devil of the modern world (hitler); it follows then that if racism is the worst sin in the modern belief system, then it is worse than something as awful as child rape.
Well done, Ed. It is to your credit that your article pulls no punches and outlines the depth of the institutional cover-up that has been allowed to prevail for so long. As an example of endemic social failure and degeneration, it's hard to see what compares to this.
"In 2021 the Home Office published new research, with better data from the Child Sexual Abuse data showing that, indeed, 83% of perpetrators were from Muslim backgrounds."
Can someone please share a link to this research, if they have one? (I'm not being an annoying "source???" type person, I just want to read it myself)
An extraordinary article rendering events which I ashamedly was not aware of taking place. When talking about this with some of my more liberal friends, they are likely to want a source for the 83% figure of perpetrators having Muslim background. I’ve been unable to find the Home Security Office article you mentioned. Could someone please link and explain exactly where this statistic can be found?
I wonder very much whether this kind of abuse is still happening to the extent it was.
These scum are not as stupid as you might think, they will evolve and adapt and rather than cars outside schools maybe they operate in less obvious ways. I wonder...
Tell me, Emma, do you think we should expect our public authorities, which provide over 50% of total employment in most of the towns where these industrial-scale rapes happened, and still happen, to have a moral compass, and act on it?
You appear to be stating that the parents should be 100% responsible for allowing their daughters to be raped. And you do not appear to account for the raped children who are in Care.
I don't think there's any need for you to get abusive. I do not "think the state can meaningfully replace the love and duty of a family" but neither do I think that the state apparatus, which we all pay an awful lot of money to fund, can walk away from its responsibilities and moral duty towards its most vulnerable citizens.
Should we take it, then, that you don’t give to charity because charities are doing work that society should be doing? ‘Should’ isn’t going to help suffering in the real world.
I've come across this a few times in the comments of conservative 'stacks. Readers are sometimes orders of magnitude more rw than the writer they follow. The same goes for left-leaning ones too. It can be frustrating because, I guess like you, I enjoy the perspectives of readers who respond thoughtfully.
Thanks for joining us in Telford, Ed, and for having the bravery to speak clearly about this issue after so many others have faltered
Thank You.
"Did political correctness enable the biggest sexual abuse scandal in British history?"
I'm American, so mebbe shouldn't comment. To me, The Woke Religion has brought civilization to a gory end across the pond. No doubt, we're next. That's just me. TY again, Sir.
Mebbe. But the Roman Catholics are just one institution. The Woke Religion, at least in America, owns pretty much all-a them. So the question becomes, "You see anything in the future that's gonna reverse this slide?"
That's where I agree with You. This "stuff" is endemic to society.
I gotta admit, things look better over in the UK than they do here. No Cass Report in view anywhere in the US, for some time to come. But is something like that enough to reverse the trend? Dunno, but I'm doubtful after reading this article. May think/feel different tomorrow.
Wokism *IS* institutional corruption
I won't disagree much. But the Woke acolytes are a small minority, not the majority.
And the Woke Religion, IMV, is as bad as pedophile priests ever were. At least the Catholic priests didn't try to turn everybody else into pedophiles, too, like the Woke priests do.
AFAICS Ed doesn't claim clannishness (on its own) necessarily leads to this behaviour
His claim is that the *combination* of their clannishness and them settling 'into a post-industrial society with very weak familial ties , permissive sexual attitudes and large numbers of broken homes, was always going to prove explosive.'
I agree with most-a what You wrote. I don't agree that the story SOUNDS like a fake made up racist libel, because I've heard this same story before.
But it was Wokism that kept the story quiet. Something that came off-a comments about that other link I posted. https://noelle-neumann.de/scientific-work/spiral-of-silence/ Not many, besides M. West, are gonna stand up and talk about this stuff.
Just now looking at same thing, from the angle of "racism" and beyond: https://freeblackthought.substack.com/p/whats-at-stake-in-the-conversation
Just read the below about prior being deleted.
Thank You SO much for taking the time, Sir.
(sorry I had to delete as the last paragraph contained a libel. Feel free to post the rest if you still have it)
I'm afraid I don't think I can. sorry for being impatient, but I could really lose my home if I get sued!
In Belgium in the 90s, a serial killer by the name of Marc Dutroux was allowed to get away with heinous crimes against young girls by a series of failures of the criminal justice system, police incompetence, and a lack of care. The details of those failures are chilling.
The result of this becoming public was that upwards of 300,000 Belgians marched in protest at the horror of it, and the entire law enforcement system was dismantled and replaced.
By all rights the entire creaking edifice of what we claim are justice, care, and law enforcement systems should have collapsed. That this has not happened is an indictment of both our national character and the stupendous scale of state failure in general that otherwise occupies our minds and attention.
I honestly cannot figure how the British state manages to exist at all at this point.
Of course, the state can never be a real parent. Bureaucrats will never have the deterring effect on a girl's would-be molesters that a group of protective male relatives would have. Europeans' best defence against this sort of thing is to (re-)discover some clannishness of our own.
Nonetheless, the State can be quite assertive when it really wants to be. As Ed has pointed out in the past, if it was gangs of white men raping Asian girls, the authorities would find their inner big strong older brother pretty quickly. (And the media would find their inner "I'm TELLING!" sibling too.)
Theodore Dalrymple wrote about the phenomenon of Muslim men and women they call "white sluts" as far back as 2006. https://www.islamawareness.net/AntiMusWriters/Theodore/theo_article0003.html
When the Rotherham story broke, I remember David Aaronovitch saying it happened because a "backwards culture met a deficient one." Which I thought was pretty correct.
Fine article, Ed. I love starting my day really hacked off with the world. Needs to be read though. Will you do one about the baradari system soon?
Racism is I think now seen as the ultimate evil; it is the primary sin of the devil of the modern world (hitler); it follows then that if racism is the worst sin in the modern belief system, then it is worse than something as awful as child rape.
Well done, Ed. It is to your credit that your article pulls no punches and outlines the depth of the institutional cover-up that has been allowed to prevail for so long. As an example of endemic social failure and degeneration, it's hard to see what compares to this.
"In 2021 the Home Office published new research, with better data from the Child Sexual Abuse data showing that, indeed, 83% of perpetrators were from Muslim backgrounds."
Can someone please share a link to this research, if they have one? (I'm not being an annoying "source???" type person, I just want to read it myself)
No problem, The Home Office document is here
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/973236/Tackling_Child_Sexual_Abuse_Strategy_2021.pdf
and drew on this
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/338984495_Group_Localised_Child_Sexual_Exploitation_Offenders_Who_and_Why
If 83% of perpetrators are from Muslim backgrounds, then isn’t this more about Islam than race?
Thank you
An extraordinary article rendering events which I ashamedly was not aware of taking place. When talking about this with some of my more liberal friends, they are likely to want a source for the 83% figure of perpetrators having Muslim background. I’ve been unable to find the Home Security Office article you mentioned. Could someone please link and explain exactly where this statistic can be found?
God bless
I wonder very much whether this kind of abuse is still happening to the extent it was.
These scum are not as stupid as you might think, they will evolve and adapt and rather than cars outside schools maybe they operate in less obvious ways. I wonder...
Tell me, Emma, do you think we should expect our public authorities, which provide over 50% of total employment in most of the towns where these industrial-scale rapes happened, and still happen, to have a moral compass, and act on it?
You appear to be stating that the parents should be 100% responsible for allowing their daughters to be raped. And you do not appear to account for the raped children who are in Care.
I don't think there's any need for you to get abusive. I do not "think the state can meaningfully replace the love and duty of a family" but neither do I think that the state apparatus, which we all pay an awful lot of money to fund, can walk away from its responsibilities and moral duty towards its most vulnerable citizens.
There is apparently a similar demographic which has driven unaccompanied Irish girls off the Belfast to Dublin and Dublin to London buses
Should we take it, then, that you don’t give to charity because charities are doing work that society should be doing? ‘Should’ isn’t going to help suffering in the real world.
I've come across this a few times in the comments of conservative 'stacks. Readers are sometimes orders of magnitude more rw than the writer they follow. The same goes for left-leaning ones too. It can be frustrating because, I guess like you, I enjoy the perspectives of readers who respond thoughtfully.
think I'll turn off the comments if I write about this again!
Hope I'm not one of the offenders here. I think it's important to respect the original writer's space.
not at all