There was an event in London last Thursday, hosted by Sir William Browder, where speakers included Vladimir Kara-murza, Yulia Navalnaya, and a young journalist named Zhala Bayramova, who made a passionate plea on behalf of her father, Dr Gubad Ibadoghlu, an academic who has worked at the LSE, and was investigating where Azerbaijan's oil wealth goes. He was arrested in July 2023 and spent 274 days in prison, before being released into house arrest in April. He is not allowed to leave to seek medical care, despite serious health problems, and his children fear he may die. More detail on the Amnesty International website. Zhala can be contacted at jale.meryam@gmail.com
Yes, if the Whites had won Russia would not have been Marxist-Leninist but it wouldn't exactly have been a liberal, humane power either.
One has to wonder how the powers outside of Russia would have reacted and what kinds of relationships they would have had to this alternate Fascist power.
As well as suffering similar atrocities, the Armenians and the Jews have enacted similar vengeance operations...
The Mossad operation to hunt down the Black September terrorists is well known due to the Spielberg movie 'Munich'. Fifty years before that a group of Armenians carried out 'Operation Nemesis': the assassinations of the Turkish cabinet ministers who had ordered the genocide.
Ironically Israel is one of the least helpful nations to Armenia today. ..
Israel is the second biggest arms supplier to Azerbaijan. And Azerbaijan is Israel's second biggest supplier of oil. They even give each other top marks in Eurovision.
Yes, but the Russians sometimes care a little too much, They came to Georgia's rescue in the early 1800s-- and decided not to leave. Though maybe Stalin counts as pay-back?
Excellent piece. Eric Adams is the current, not former Mayor of NYC. As for "disgraced," I suppose this label is based on criminal charges founded on his Turkish grifting activities, activities which were never any secret but did not become a problem until he began to criticize the current regime's open borders. However, he has not yet been convicted of anything. Unfortunately, in our (the US) politics, it is a common practice to engineer charges and then treat them as establishing guilt, completely ignoring the principle of presumption of innocence. To take it a step further, defendants are taken before juries drawn from politically monolithic areas that have been heavily propagandized in which conviction is a foregone conclusion, regardless of the facts. So it would be better to simply refer to Mayor Adams and leave off the editorial "disgraced."
Like the Jewish diaspora, Armenia's have a bigger cultural footprint than you'd expect; the most watched video on Pornhub features a woman with Armenian heritage, and who has spoken out about the genocide (and got attacked when she endorsed Hillary Clinton, who flip flopped on the issue).
There was an interesting thread on Twitter recently on 'the Armenian beauty norm' and why the Kardashians women are so popular. Presumably this also translates into er less salubrious parts.
My general rule of thumb is that the older civilization in an area is (the Mediterranean, Near East, Persia, North India, East Asia), the more beautiful the females.
I found one interesting theory online about how animal domestication created natural selection for better looks through a need to adapt to disfiguring diseases:
Another possibility: As people began living in larger groups there was more competition for mates, and women especially were selected for on that basis.
"In other ways, however, the subsequent stories differ. The nation responsible for the Shoah came to be weighed down with a deep sense of guilt and shame, and that genocide would form part of the origin story in a new stage of western civilisation. Europeans, rightfully, view that mass murder as the culmination of centuries of persecution and prejudice, and an aversion to repeating that crime still directs our political instincts. Only last year, Germany’s vice-chancellor declared the protection of the Jews to be the country’s historic mission."
Did you that the very designation of "Caucasian" for those of Europe and the Near East in the 18th Century was inspired partly by the beauty of Circassian and Georgian people?:
"In addition, the most beautiful humans were reputed by Europeans to be the stereotypical "Circassian beauties" and the Georgian people; both Georgia and Circassia are in the Caucasus region.[23][22] The "Circassian beauty" stereotype had its roots in the Middle Ages, while the reputation for the attractiveness of the Georgian people was developed by early modern travellers to the region such as Jean Chardin"
EW: "Yet, as Lawson pointed out, Baku has clearly been importing Russian gas to resell to Europe, and everyone in Europe knows it."
Bwahaha. Though apparently, not enough of it (gas, I mean), since Germany's industry is on its knees.
And indeed, no-one will speak of the Armenians. X's will speak of the ethnic cleansing of Y's by the Z's only if there was enmity between the X's and Z's to begin with, and the ethnic cleansing of the Y's by the Z's gives the X's extra ammunition against those evil Z's. Otherwise? Doesn't matter. None of X's business.
It's a worthwhile endeavor to highlight this often-forgotten part of history, especially when it comes to the layperson. Like you pointed out, this is not merely a historical footnote, but one that has ramifications for Armenian lives today. If you are interested in a deeper dive into this topic, check out my article about one of the men who participated in Armenia's efforts for justice against the Turks after WW1: https://historicalcuriosities.substack.com/p/the-curious-case-of-soghomon-tehlirian
There was an event in London last Thursday, hosted by Sir William Browder, where speakers included Vladimir Kara-murza, Yulia Navalnaya, and a young journalist named Zhala Bayramova, who made a passionate plea on behalf of her father, Dr Gubad Ibadoghlu, an academic who has worked at the LSE, and was investigating where Azerbaijan's oil wealth goes. He was arrested in July 2023 and spent 274 days in prison, before being released into house arrest in April. He is not allowed to leave to seek medical care, despite serious health problems, and his children fear he may die. More detail on the Amnesty International website. Zhala can be contacted at jale.meryam@gmail.com
The story of Armenia is all the more tragic considering how in ancient times, it reached the Mediterranean:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Armenia_(antiquity)
Did you know that 20 years before the Nazi Holocaust, there was a real possibility of widespread massacres of Jews in the Ukraine?
https://www.google.ca/books/edition/In_the_Midst_of_Civilized_Europe/vnb7DwAAQBAJ?hl=en
One can see the speculation of such a possibility even in mainstream Western newspapers at the time.
I read Antony Beevor’s book about the Russian Civil War a couple of years ago and my word is it harrowing.
The Whites would surely have committed genocide against the Jews if they’d won.
Yes, if the Whites had won Russia would not have been Marxist-Leninist but it wouldn't exactly have been a liberal, humane power either.
One has to wonder how the powers outside of Russia would have reacted and what kinds of relationships they would have had to this alternate Fascist power.
As well as suffering similar atrocities, the Armenians and the Jews have enacted similar vengeance operations...
The Mossad operation to hunt down the Black September terrorists is well known due to the Spielberg movie 'Munich'. Fifty years before that a group of Armenians carried out 'Operation Nemesis': the assassinations of the Turkish cabinet ministers who had ordered the genocide.
Ironically Israel is one of the least helpful nations to Armenia today. ..
Israel is the second biggest arms supplier to Azerbaijan. And Azerbaijan is Israel's second biggest supplier of oil. They even give each other top marks in Eurovision.
Check this out if you're interested in a key part of Operation Nemesis:
https://historicalcuriosities.substack.com/p/the-curious-case-of-soghomon-tehlirian
Fine stuff Ed. - We the West never seems to be able to save people . Russia cared about her little brothers we discarded them
Yes, but the Russians sometimes care a little too much, They came to Georgia's rescue in the early 1800s-- and decided not to leave. Though maybe Stalin counts as pay-back?
Excellent piece. Eric Adams is the current, not former Mayor of NYC. As for "disgraced," I suppose this label is based on criminal charges founded on his Turkish grifting activities, activities which were never any secret but did not become a problem until he began to criticize the current regime's open borders. However, he has not yet been convicted of anything. Unfortunately, in our (the US) politics, it is a common practice to engineer charges and then treat them as establishing guilt, completely ignoring the principle of presumption of innocence. To take it a step further, defendants are taken before juries drawn from politically monolithic areas that have been heavily propagandized in which conviction is a foregone conclusion, regardless of the facts. So it would be better to simply refer to Mayor Adams and leave off the editorial "disgraced."
whoops, good point
Like the Jewish diaspora, Armenia's have a bigger cultural footprint than you'd expect; the most watched video on Pornhub features a woman with Armenian heritage, and who has spoken out about the genocide (and got attacked when she endorsed Hillary Clinton, who flip flopped on the issue).
well you really do learn something every day!
There was an interesting thread on Twitter recently on 'the Armenian beauty norm' and why the Kardashians women are so popular. Presumably this also translates into er less salubrious parts.
Was it similar to this thread in the "Levantine Hot Women Zone":
https://x.com/kunley_drukpa/status/1852821090781073583
my grandfather was a seminarian in Beirut and left for that exact reason.
Which denomination may I ask?
Catholic (Jesuit)
That's brilliant. Having visited Beirut I can confirm this is true. Beautiful women and great hair too.
My general rule of thumb is that the older civilization in an area is (the Mediterranean, Near East, Persia, North India, East Asia), the more beautiful the females.
I found one interesting theory online about how animal domestication created natural selection for better looks through a need to adapt to disfiguring diseases:
https://akinokure.blogspot.com/2010/10/how-animal-domestication-made-people.html
Another possibility: As people began living in larger groups there was more competition for mates, and women especially were selected for on that basis.
Venezuela refutes you
And Brazil.
"In other ways, however, the subsequent stories differ. The nation responsible for the Shoah came to be weighed down with a deep sense of guilt and shame, and that genocide would form part of the origin story in a new stage of western civilisation. Europeans, rightfully, view that mass murder as the culmination of centuries of persecution and prejudice, and an aversion to repeating that crime still directs our political instincts. Only last year, Germany’s vice-chancellor declared the protection of the Jews to be the country’s historic mission."
5 million non-Jews were also killed.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/11-million-not-6-million-died-in-the-holocaust/2017/05/26/6fdcc270-3f1c-11e7-b29f-f40ffced2ddb_story.html
Also, the Reich planned to kill most of the Slavs and wipe their cities off the map.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost
Did you that the very designation of "Caucasian" for those of Europe and the Near East in the 18th Century was inspired partly by the beauty of Circassian and Georgian people?:
"In addition, the most beautiful humans were reputed by Europeans to be the stereotypical "Circassian beauties" and the Georgian people; both Georgia and Circassia are in the Caucasus region.[23][22] The "Circassian beauty" stereotype had its roots in the Middle Ages, while the reputation for the attractiveness of the Georgian people was developed by early modern travellers to the region such as Jean Chardin"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race
EW: "Yet, as Lawson pointed out, Baku has clearly been importing Russian gas to resell to Europe, and everyone in Europe knows it."
Bwahaha. Though apparently, not enough of it (gas, I mean), since Germany's industry is on its knees.
And indeed, no-one will speak of the Armenians. X's will speak of the ethnic cleansing of Y's by the Z's only if there was enmity between the X's and Z's to begin with, and the ethnic cleansing of the Y's by the Z's gives the X's extra ammunition against those evil Z's. Otherwise? Doesn't matter. None of X's business.
It's a worthwhile endeavor to highlight this often-forgotten part of history, especially when it comes to the layperson. Like you pointed out, this is not merely a historical footnote, but one that has ramifications for Armenian lives today. If you are interested in a deeper dive into this topic, check out my article about one of the men who participated in Armenia's efforts for justice against the Turks after WW1: https://historicalcuriosities.substack.com/p/the-curious-case-of-soghomon-tehlirian